Mess Dress
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B (LDY PAO) Sqn RY, Officers |
B (LDY PAO) Squadron of the Royal Yeomanry
have chosen to differ from the original LDY PAO Regimental
pattern. The new pattern has taken the Leicestershire (PAO)
Yeomanry "Other Ranks" rear jacket Hussar Dolman pattern, added
an Austrian knot to the bottom corner of the front of the jacket
and removed the drop studs from the front edge of the jacket.
The shoulder cords are correct and being made of silver "Chain
Gimp" sewn side to side and into shoulder seam then looped over
button .
The side pattern has also been removed. (See Original LDY PAO
Mess kit below)
The waistcoat has also changed, having the pocket lace removed
and the removal of the crows foot knot on the bottom corners.
The silver lace used on the officers pattern is "Silver Russia"
for the detail and "French Check" for the main block.
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LDY PAO Regiment, Officers |
The above pattern has been confirmed by looking at photographs
of senior LDY PAO officer mess kits from the regimental period
1957-67, this pattern is identical to the post Great War mess
kit worn by the Derbyshire Yeomanry with the difference of
"Silver" instead of gold braid and lace. .
The original DY Mess kit is being worn in the pictures above,
the only difference is the lace is gold.
LDY Mess kit.
(Lt. Col. Bagshawe 1966)
*** Officer Cadets wear LDY blues with RMAS white collar tabs at
Mess functions with other ranks accoutrements.
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B (LDY PAO) Sqn RY, NCOs |
In 1993 the mess kit for the LDY Other Ranks changed to
emulate that of the 9th/12th Lancers (promoted by a 9th/12th
Lancer PSI at the time), breaking away from
traditional LDY regimental pattern. The rear jacket detail has
the "Lancer" red piping through the back seams and following the
arm to the cuff. Due to the lack of other ranks stay bright
collar badges, the Officer pattern LDY embroidered badge is worn
on the "black silk" rolled lapels in some cases. The trefoil at
the cuff apex is in keeping with the Leicestershire Yeomanry
c1860's. The silver shoulder cords are the thicker "officer"
general service pattern instead of the single twist silver cord.
In its favour, the mess jacket does "resemble" the LYC
officers "Light Dragoon" stable jacket of the late 1860s (see
the bottom of this page).
Original OR LDY Mess kit seen here
c1995.
Jacket & waistcaot buttons
1984, LDYPAO Corporals Mess Dinner held at the Melton Mowbray
Drill Hall.
The Original LDY PAO Other Ranks mess kit was based on
the LY PAO Officer pattern introduced in 1906. Army blue
with rolled scarlet collar and scarlet pointed cuffs. The
shoulder cords were of single twist silver "chain gimp" cord
sewn into the shoulder seam with a small LDY button to attach. A
plain scarlet waistcoat with 4 small LDY buttons. LDY PAO
staybright collar badges 2/3rds of the way up the rolled scarlet
lapels. A Trooper's shoulder cords would be of plain red single
twist cord.
Correct O/R Shoulder cords.
Below is a modern "Cavalry Cut" representation of the LDY Other
ranks mess kit.
(Modern Style)
From Trooper to Senior NCO
"Silver Russia" braid.
Note the crows foot on the collar is opposite to
officers (as on LY O/R Dolman Jacket). No stand collar on the
waistcoat, braiding or drop studs. The cuff has a smaller Austrian knot
compared to the officers, otherwise is the same. Single twist
Silver shoulder cords looped over LDY button, (Blues or Evening Dress as alternative).
Collarless white Poplin tunic shirt, worn with the above. Can be
worn with all stiff collars. Double cuffs. Curved shirt tails.
www.vintageshirt.co.uk
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LY Officers 1906 |
LY PAO RSO c1928: When wearing mess kit,
the Orderly officer will wear a sword in the plated scabbard,
with full dress sword slings, and with webbing sword belt under
the waistcoat.
A plain pattern mess kit came into service around 1906. The
collar badge was a silver ducal crest of
Saxony.
Rank badges silver embroidered, 5/8 inch. The
overalls had double 0.75 Inch scarlet stripes. Some officers
used this mess kit but many retained the older style. The
initial kit might have started out with plain blue shoulder
flaps and then had an addition of silver chain gimp shoulder
cords.
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LYC Officers c1873 onwards
LYC Hussars |
The regiment's old pattern of mess kit had only undergone minor
changes since the 1840's. It comprised of an army blue jacket
with scarlet collar and pointed cuffs edged all around in silver
Denmark lace, was traced all around with silver Russia braid .
Mess overalls were blue with double 1 inch stripes of silver
Denmark lace and from 1865 a blue pillbox (see
Headdress) forage cap was worn with the mess dress.
Mess kit that belonged to Captain Frank Chaplin. A rare example of dark blue melton cloth,
edged with silver lace and to the front silver seed buttons.
Scarlet facings to the collar and cuffs. The shoulders with
silver bullion loop cords and Regimental buttons. Quilted silk
lining.
Rear jacket detail and waistcoat detail.
A cleaner example of jacket and waistcoat.
Lace Used: Denmark Lace (Jacket & Waistcoat),
Chain Gimp (Jacket neck line), Russia Braid (Jacket & Waistcoat)
& Round back Cord (Shoulder cords). Lace usage varied
according to tailor but main lace pattern like Denmark and
Russia did not.
Mess overalls: Blue, with double1inch
stripes of silver lace Denmark lace.
Accoutrements: Blue & silver lace pillbox
forage cap or Blue and silver welted "Torin" Cap with scarlet
between the crown seams or the Scarlet and silver welted folding
forage cap or Scarlet and peaked dress cap. A swagger cane/stick
and gloves would be carried.
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LYC Officers c1860-70
LYC Light Dragoon |
The Stable Jacket: Blue with pointed scarlet
cuff and collar and single twist silver shoulder chords, all edged in silver Russia braid,
the neck line being silver chain gimp. A
pointed scarlet cuff coming to a simple Austrian knot. The jacket has
eye and hook clasps and the "drop" studs line the front edge to
cover. The back seams of the jacket are piped scarlet from the
centre seams of the lower back to the back of the sleeve cuff.
The lower back point has the loop and trefoil found on the
later Hussar jacket. Two
silver LYC buttons at the back of the cuff.
** Note: A black leather cross belt would have been worn with
this jacket as duty officer.
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